now, you grew up in italy? i grew up and i came here when i was 14. and got right to work? my uncle wanted me to get out of the house, so he said, "i'll send you to work with a friend of mine mr. batista clemenzi." mm-hmm. and then i was with him for 19 years. and what types of jobs were you doing back in the 1950s? well, you know, regular flats, but not like this. we used to put the -- you know, plaster three coat thick. yeah. your sons were telling me some great stories about you working. they said you used to take the train to work. train, the bus everything. there was a lot of time -- we didn't have much competition like you do today, and we used to have a suitcase like this and then we -- you know when we changed jobs we put everything in a suitcase, go on the bus. you're still using a suitcase today? why? yeah. you have all your tools, you tie them up here and everything's in there. your clothes, your shoes everything was in here. i enjoyed every day i went out. i never said once i hated it. i always enjoyed it. good. made a good living out of it. i'm not rich, i'm ha